Blinky's Memorial
Aingon Atelia
I just wanted to keep people updated with what's going on re Blinky's
memorial service.
Saturday, Feb 28th 2-5pm
The Windsor Club
123 Windsor Road
Glendale, Ca
A couple of you have expressed wishes to attend. Hopefully that gives
people enough time to plan.
Also, it appears that there will *not* be a public service in Michigan,
as I previously believed. The family has asked that it be kept a small
private graveside service.
--
Aingon Atelia aka Minkie Zeeber
IAingo...@sbcglobal.net
Poke out my left I to reply
Peter
> Poke out my left I to reply
Was Blinky gay?
He probably died of Aids.
--
Peter Lucas
Brisbane
Australia
"Life is not like a box of chocolates... it's more like an ass.
What you do in it today... might burn your cock tomorrow."
Aingon Atelia
> On Feb 18, 8:29 am, Aingon Atelia <aingonate...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> Hi all
>>
>> I just wanted to keep people updated with what's going on re Blinky's
>> memorial service.
>>
>> Saturday, Feb 28th 2-5pm
>> The Windsor Club
>> 123 Windsor Road
>> Glendale, Ca
>>
>> A couple of you have expressed wishes to attend. Hopefully that gives
>> people enough time to plan.
>>
>> Also, it appears that there will *not* be a public service in Michigan,
>> as I previously believed. The family has asked that it be kept a small
>> private graveside service.
>>
>> --
>>
>> Aingon Atelia aka Minkie Zeeber
>> IAingonAte...@sbcglobal.net
>> Poke out my left I to reply
>
> Was Blinky gay?
> He probably died of Aids.
He was certainly *not* gay. Please resist projecting yourself on others.
> --
> Peter Lucas
> Brisbane
> Australia
And learn how to format a fuckin' sig, wanker.
--
Aingon Atelia aka Minkie Zeeber
Peter
$YU2....@nlpi066.nbdc.sbc.com:
>
>
You were replying to "Peter <peterlabr...@gmail.com> wrote in
news:70040d43-4e00-4268...@s1g2000prg.googlegroups.com:"
>
> He was certainly *not* gay. Please resist projecting yourself on
others.
>
Unfortunately, you were sucked in by our 'resident' stalker/troll. It was
indeed projecting itself.
Thank you for letting us know about Blinky's service.
These are just a few of the pathetic stalker/trolls ID's.
From: Peter <peterlabr...@gmail.com>
NNTP-Posting-Host: 75.125.163.157
From: Sara S <sara.s...@gmail.com>
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--
Peter Lucas
Brisbane
Australia
"Life is not like a box of chocolates... it's more like a jar of
jalapenos. What you do today... might burn your ass tomorrow."
Peter J Ross
Atelia <aingon...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> And learn how to format a fuckin' sig, wanker.
Like you, Blinky knew how to reply to wankers, so he'd probably have
enjoyed your reply to that fool.
Like many of Blinky's admirers, I live too far away to participate
in his memorial, but I'll be thinking of him, not only on that day but
for a long time whenever I see something on Usenet or the Internet
that Blinky would have enjoyed making fun of and/or putting right.
Thanks for posting, Aingon.
--
PJR :-)
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Bob Ward
<peterlabr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>Was Blinky gay?
>He probably died of Aids.
>
>--
>Peter Lucas
>Brisbane
>Australia
>
>"Life is not like a box of chocolates... it's more like an ass.
>What you do in it today... might burn your cock tomorrow."
>
>
Sounds like stupidity will feature prominently in your obituary.
Hopefully soon.
Peter
news:4qlmp4lij2s1s507i...@4ax.com:
The stalker/forgers name is bevan john kirkland. It lives in Melbourne.
I have an address for it, if any of the newsgroup contributers live in
Melbourne, Australia.
--
Peter Lucas
Brisbane
Australia
"Life is not like a box of chocolates... it's more like a jar of
Linda
> Bob Ward <bobw...@email.com> wrote innews:4qlmp4lij2s1s507i...@4ax.com:
>
> - Show quoted text -
Bevan Kirkland died a year ago.
Peter Lucas reported to:
Stephen Cooper
Detective Senior Constable 29748
Victoria Police State Crime Squads
Level 12, 412 St. Kilda Road , Melbourne
Peter
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Baz
> Linda <sf.usen...@gmail.com> wrote in news:7e384c5c-d3ea-4f2b-8c3b-
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> --
Bet you are pleased your ugly mole Ruth Grealy is back at work so you
can continue your extra curricular activities like hanging around
public toilets.
bob
<aingon...@sbcglobal.net> shouted from the highest rooftop:
>Hi all
>
>I just wanted to keep people updated with what's going on re Blinky's
>memorial service.
Many thanks for the heads-up. I'll be thinking of Blinky on Sunday 1
March from 11:00am to 2:00pm in New Zealand.
--
una cerveza mas por favor ...
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Wax-up and drop-in of Surfing's Golden Years: <http://www.surfwriter.net>
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Sky
Thanks for sharing the information about Blinky's memorial service.
Even though I didn't know him very long, I enjoyed his comraderie and
his conversations in RFC chat. I will miss that funny guy and his
fantastic photos! Was any obituary ever published?
Sky
--
Ultra Ultimate Kitchen Rule - Use the Timer!
Ultimate Kitchen Rule -- Cook's Choice
SteveB
"Aingon Atelia" <aingon...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:T3Gml.10901$pr6....@flpi149.ffdc.sbc.com...
I can't go, so I will just bow my head and stand silent for a bit
.........................
I'll be there in spirit ...............................
Stan Brown
<aingon...@sbcglobal.net>:
> > Was Blinky gay?
> > He probably died of Aids.
>
> He was certainly *not* gay. Please resist projecting yourself on others.
Surely you are not as ignorant as the above would have us believe. It
is not just gay people who get AIDS.
No, I'm not suggesting Blinky died of AIDS; I have no idea of his
cause of death. But I do object to the inaccurate and prejudicial
implication that AIDS = gay.
--
Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA
http://OakRoadSystems.com
Shikata ga nai...
Dan C
> Tue, 17 Feb 2009 14:17:44 -0800 from Aingon Atelia
> <aingon...@sbcglobal.net>:
>> > Was Blinky gay?
>> > He probably died of Aids.
>>
>> He was certainly *not* gay. Please resist projecting yourself on
>> others.
>
> Surely you are not as ignorant as the above would have us believe. It is
> not just gay people who get AIDS.
>
> No, I'm not suggesting Blinky died of AIDS; I have no idea of his cause
> of death. But I do object to the inaccurate and prejudicial implication
> that AIDS = gay.
Of all the folks (at least in the USA) who have AIDS, what percentage of
them would you guess are gay? Would 90% be close? That's my guess, and
if true, your objection is over-ruled.
--
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M. Shirley Chong
>> No, I'm not suggesting Blinky died of AIDS; I have no idea of his cause
>> of death. But I do object to the inaccurate and prejudicial implication
>> that AIDS = gay.
Dan C wrote:
> Of all the folks (at least in the USA) who have AIDS, what percentage of
> them would you guess are gay? Would 90% be close? That's my guess, and
> if true, your objection is over-ruled.
Ninety percent isn't anywhere near close.
According to the CDC:
http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/topics/surveillance/resources/reports/2004report/table1.htm
or
From cases diagnosed in the year 2000 (because it's the first year
in the column and so easy to add up), male to male sexual
transmission of AIDS caused 16,625 cases. Other causes were
responsible for 10,480 cases--in men alone. That's 27,105 cases,
which means that roughly 40% of AIDS in men is caused by something
other than male to male sexual contact.
Add in the cases for women (12,280) and children under 13 (360)
which by definition pretty much eliminates gays (male to male sexual
transmission) and it's clear that Stan is correct--assuming that
AIDS equals gay is false.
Shirley
Beauregard T. Shagnasty
> Tue, 17 Feb 2009 14:17:44 -0800 from Aingon Atelia
> <aingon...@sbcglobal.net>:
>> [Peter, the Google Grouper wrote:]
>>> Was Blinky gay?
>>> He probably died of Aids.
>>
>> He was certainly *not* gay. Please resist projecting yourself on
>> others.
>
> Surely you are not as ignorant as the above would have us believe. It
> is not just gay people who get AIDS.
I didn't read Aingon's post that way, Stan. I think he was only
defending Blinky's heterosexualness, as he did not mention AIDS in his
reply.
> No, I'm not suggesting Blinky died of AIDS; I have no idea of his
> cause of death. But I do object to the inaccurate and prejudicial
> implication that AIDS = gay.
You should have directed your comments to "Peter."
--
-bts
-Friends don't let friends drive Windows
sf
wrote:
>Aingon Atelia wrote:
>
>>> --
>>> Peter Lucas
>>> Brisbane
>>> Australia
>>
>>And learn how to format a fuckin' sig, wanker.
>
>Heh, a Google Grouper...
>
>Imagine that!
A PeterL impersonator... it's been happening for quite a while in rfc.
Sorry they surfed into Blinky's memorial posts too, but that type just
likes to disrupt - they don't care what the context is.
--
I never worry about diets. The only carrots that
interest me are the number of carats in a diamond.
Mae West
sf
wrote:
>Of all the folks (at least in the USA) who have AIDS, what percentage of
>them would you guess are gay? Would 90% be close? That's my guess, and
>if true, your objection is over-ruled.
I think you're homophobic. Have you forgotten about all the heteros
who got HIV from dirty needles and all the other heteros who got it
from those who got it from dirty needles (say unprotected sex) and
then passed it on to others - via unprotected sex?
Miche
bob <aka...@surfwriter.net.not> wrote:
> On Tue, 17 Feb 2009 13:29:09 -0800, Aingon Atelia
> <aingon...@sbcglobal.net> shouted from the highest rooftop:
>
> >Hi all
> >
> >I just wanted to keep people updated with what's going on re Blinky's
> >memorial service.
>
> Many thanks for the heads-up. I'll be thinking of Blinky on Sunday 1
> March from 11:00am to 2:00pm in New Zealand.
Another Kiwi? Awesome. And yes, I'll be thinking of Blinky then, too.
Miche
--
Electricians do it in three phases
Greg Goss
>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 14:17:44 -0800 from Aingon Atelia
><aingon...@sbcglobal.net>:
>> > Was Blinky gay?
>> > He probably died of Aids.
>>
>> He was certainly *not* gay. Please resist projecting yourself on others.
>
>Surely you are not as ignorant as the above would have us believe. It
>is not just gay people who get AIDS.
>
>No, I'm not suggesting Blinky died of AIDS; I have no idea of his
>cause of death. But I do object to the inaccurate and prejudicial
>implication that AIDS = gay.
Isaac Asimov died of AIDS from a transfusion during a heart operation.
--
"Recessions catch what the auditors miss." (Galbraith)
bob
>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 14:17:44 -0800 from Aingon Atelia
><aingon...@sbcglobal.net>:
>> > Was Blinky gay?
>> > He probably died of Aids.
>>
>> He was certainly *not* gay. Please resist projecting yourself on others.
>
>Surely you are not as ignorant as the above would have us believe. It
>is not just gay people who get AIDS.
>
>No, I'm not suggesting Blinky died of AIDS; I have no idea of his
>cause of death. But I do object to the inaccurate and prejudicial
>implication that AIDS = gay.
I don't think that dignifying another cheap, grubby example of an
obsessive troll's attempt to draw more attention to himself is very
productive. Just ignore the fool and pity his pathetic need to be
noticed..
bob
shouted from the highest rooftop:
>In article <6inmp49r845i9tf3t...@4ax.com>,
> bob <aka...@surfwriter.net.not> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 17 Feb 2009 13:29:09 -0800, Aingon Atelia
>> <aingon...@sbcglobal.net> shouted from the highest rooftop:
>>
>> >Hi all
>> >
>> >I just wanted to keep people updated with what's going on re Blinky's
>> >memorial service.
>>
>> Many thanks for the heads-up. I'll be thinking of Blinky on Sunday 1
>> March from 11:00am to 2:00pm in New Zealand.
>
>Another Kiwi? Awesome. And yes, I'll be thinking of Blinky then, too.
American by birth. New Zealander by choice.
Whiskers
> Hi all
>
> I just wanted to keep people updated with what's going on re Blinky's
> memorial service.
>
> Saturday, Feb 28th 2-5pm
> The Windsor Club
> 123 Windsor Road
> Glendale, Ca
[...]
Thanks. I shall be another of those there in spirit (that'll be quite a
crowd, I think!)
--
-- ^^^^^^^^^^
-- Whiskers
-- ~~~~~~~~~~
Mike Yetto
> On 2009-02-17, Aingon Atelia <aingon...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> Hi all
>>
>> I just wanted to keep people updated with what's going on re Blinky's
>> memorial service.
>>
>> Saturday, Feb 28th 2-5pm
>> The Windsor Club
>> 123 Windsor Road
>> Glendale, Ca
>
> [...]
>
> Thanks. I shall be another of those there in spirit (that'll be quite a
> crowd, I think!)
>
Even Albany, NY is far enough to keep me from physically
attending. However, I will be standing on the head of that
pin. I'm the one making the Xnews and slrn gang signs.
Mike "angelically?" Yetto
--
Pluralitas non est ponenda sine necessitas.
- William of Ockham
Lisa Ann
news:Xns9BB65699D868FP...@210.8.230.25...
And the resident wanker-troll (or is that troll-wanker?) proves that Blinky
was right about Google...at least in this instance.
Lisa Ann
Lisa Ann
"Greg Goss" <go...@gossg.org> wrote in message
news:701simF...@mid.individual.net...
My cousin Tommy died of AIDS, also from a blood transfusion. Unfortunately,
this was long before anyone was willing to admit that the virus was in the
blood supply...so the docs kept insisting to his mother that Tommy was
gay...or if he wasn't gay, he'd been molested. (Tommy was mildly retarded.)
It's bad enough to have to bury your son without the doctors telling you
that your son was responsible for what killed him.
Lisa Ann
PeterL
news:gnh1p5$e5h$1...@news.datemas.de:
> "Peter" <Pet...@brissie.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns9BB65699D868FP...@210.8.230.25...
>> Aingon Atelia <aingon...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in news:fIGml.16494
>> $YU2....@nlpi066.nbdc.sbc.com:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> You were replying to "Peter <peterlabr...@gmail.com> wrote in
>> news:70040d43-4e00-4268...@s1g2000prg.googlegroups.com:"
>>
>>>
>>> He was certainly *not* gay. Please resist projecting yourself on
>> others.
>>>
>>
>>
>> Unfortunately, you were sucked in by our 'resident' stalker/troll. It
>> was indeed projecting itself.
>>
>> Thank you for letting us know about Blinky's service.
>>
>>
>>
>> These are just a few of the pathetic stalker/trolls ID's.
>>
>
> And the resident wanker-troll (or is that troll-wanker?) proves that
> Blinky was right about Google...at least in this instance.
>
He certainly *was* right about Google Groups.
--
Peter Lucas
Brisbane
Australia
"Life is not like a box of chocolates... it's more like a jar of
Dan C
>>Of all the folks (at least in the USA) who have AIDS, what percentage of
>>them would you guess are gay? Would 90% be close? That's my guess, and
>>if true, your objection is over-ruled.
> I think you're homophobic.
Perhaps I am.
> Have you forgotten about all the heteros who
> got HIV from dirty needles and all the other heteros who got it from
> those who got it from dirty needles (say unprotected sex) and then
> passed it on to others - via unprotected sex?
Perhaps I have.
Mike Easter
> My cousin Tommy died of AIDS, also from a blood transfusion.
> Unfortunately, this was long before anyone was willing to admit that
> the virus was in the blood supply...so the docs kept insisting to his
> mother that Tommy was gay...or if he wasn't gay, he'd been molested.
> (Tommy was mildly retarded.) It's bad enough to have to bury your son
> without the doctors telling you that your son was responsible for what
> killed him.
The business about transfusion transmitted infections, both viral and
bacterial, has been known about a long time; and those risks still exist
today. How high the risk is depends on how the banking is done, what
country you are in, and other factors such as which products are being
transfused, but it is never zero.
The business about someone having AIDS and trying to answer the question
"Well then, how did he get it?" is not going to have an absolute answer,
just a guess.
If your cousin had AIDS and had also had a blood transfusion, and was not
known to have had any other exposure of his blood or mucus membranes to
someone else's bodily fluids, you can't necessarily know that he got the
virus infection from the transfusion.
The answer to the above question would have to be "We don't really know,
it is possible that he got it from the transfusion, but that is very
unlikely."
'Very' in this context would depend on what year and what country we are
talking about.
--
Mike Easter
Lee Ayrton
> "Aingon Atelia" <aingon...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:T3Gml.10901$pr6....@flpi149.ffdc.sbc.com...
>> Hi all
>>
>> I just wanted to keep people updated with what's going on re Blinky's
>> memorial service.
>>
>> Saturday, Feb 28th 2-5pm
>> The Windsor Club
>> 123 Windsor Road
>> Glendale, Ca
> I can't go, so I will just bow my head and stand silent for a bit
Sadly, I suspect that I will not be able to attend either.
--
No more turning away
From the weak and the weary
Lee Ayrton
> Tue, 17 Feb 2009 14:17:44 -0800 from Aingon Atelia
> <aingon...@sbcglobal.net>:
>>> Was Blinky gay?
>>> He probably died of Aids.
>>
>> He was certainly *not* gay. Please resist projecting yourself on others.
>
> Surely you are not as ignorant as the above would have us believe. It
> is not just gay people who get AIDS.
>
> No, I'm not suggesting Blinky died of AIDS; I have no idea of his
> cause of death. But I do object to the inaccurate and prejudicial
> implication that AIDS = gay.
Sexual orientation was invoked in the very first line quoted above and
that was the line that Walt was responding to, not the second line about
AIDS.
Unlike the troll, you and I at least know how to treat an acronym.
Nomen Nescio
> Peter <peterlabr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > He probably died of Aids.
> >
> > --
> > Peter Lucas
> ^^^^^^^^^^^
> shitbag
>
whoops, not the real Peter Lucas
sorry!
Lee Ayrton
> On Tue, 17 Feb 2009 22:30:55 -0500, Stan Brown wrote:
>> Tue, 17 Feb 2009 14:17:44 -0800 from Aingon Atelia
>> <aingon...@sbcglobal.net>:
>>>> Was Blinky gay?
>>>> He probably died of Aids.
>>>
>>> He was certainly *not* gay. Please resist projecting yourself on
>>> others.
>>
>> Surely you are not as ignorant as the above would have us believe. It is
>> not just gay people who get AIDS.
[snip]
> Of all the folks (at least in the USA) who have AIDS, what percentage of
> them would you guess are gay? Would 90% be close? That's my guess, and
> if true, your objection is over-ruled.
In the USofA, 90% of new cases would be too high a guess, it is more like
2/3s and, overall, male-to-male transmission accounts for about half the
diagnosed cases. In continental Africa, AIDS transmission is
overwhelmingly hetrosexual.
New cases diagnosed in the USofA in 2006:
MALE FEMALE
Male-to-male sexual contact 16,001 -
Injection drug use 4,410 2,385
M-M sex & inj. drug use 1,803 -
High-risk hetero contact 4,558 7,196
Other 217 220
Extimated cases from beginning through 2006
MALE FEMALE
Male-to male sexual contact 465,965 -
Injection drug use 170,171 74,718
M-M sex & inj. drug use 68,516 -
High-risk hetero contact 65,214 108,252
Other 13,893 6,596
Source:
http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/topics/surveillance/basic.htm
Mary
I'd say that the point is that it's not necessary to try to blame the
AIDS patients for their own conditions or deaths. AIDS is a disease,
not biblical retribution, and anyone who made the kind of comments
that Lisa Ann's talking about should probably not be in positions that
require dealing with the public, like, say, being a doctor.
I have a friend whose brother died of AIDS. A guy once asked her,
"well, was he gay?" and when she said yes, he said (to her face, mind
you) that it was John's own fault, then.
That's nothing but assholery.
Mary
Mike Easter
> "Mike Easter"
>> Lisa Ann wrote:
>>> My cousin Tommy died of AIDS, also from a blood transfusion.
>>> Unfortunately, this was long before anyone was willing to admit that
>>> the virus was in the blood supply...so the docs kept insisting to his
>>> mother that Tommy was gay...or if he wasn't gay, he'd been molested.
>>> (Tommy was mildly retarded.) It's bad enough to have to bury your son
>>> without the doctors telling you that your son was responsible for what
>>> killed him.
Lisa Ann said 'the doctors telling you that your son was responsible for
what killed him'. I don't know anything about Tommy or the doctors who
were taking care of him, but....
>> The business about transfusion transmitted infections, both viral and
>> bacterial, has been known about a long time; and those risks still
>> exist today.
> I'd say that the point is that it's not necessary to try to blame the
> AIDS patients for their own conditions or deaths.
I agree with that; and I also argue that it isn't necessary to blame a
transfusion for causing AIDS in order to avoid what Lisa Ann said (someone
said?) about Tommy being responsible for his disease.
The business about managing the risks of sexual behaviors of various age
groups who are retarded and not retarded is very complicated and
difficult.
Recognizing that difficulty isn't made easier by those who can't seem to
believe that a retarded person is likely to be sexually active.
> AIDS is a disease,
> not biblical retribution, and anyone who made the kind of comments
> that Lisa Ann's talking about should probably not be in positions that
> require dealing with the public, like, say, being a doctor.
I interpreted the 'responsible' remark as being an _interpretation_ --
that those who were close to Tommy interpreted the doctor's opinion that
maybe Tommy got AIDS sexually instead of from the transfusion as being the
same as those who said that *implying* that Tommy was responsible for his
own disease.
It seems that when people say something that others don't like, they also
don't like the way you said it.
--
Mike Easter
Becca
Well gosh, I am sorry to hear this sad news about Blinky. He was an
interesting guy and he took the best photos.
http://pbase.com/blinkytheshark
Becca
Mike Easter
>>> Lisa Ann wrote:
>>>> My cousin Tommy died of AIDS, also from a blood transfusion.
>>>> Unfortunately, this was long before anyone was willing to admit that
>>>> the virus was in the blood supply...so the docs kept insisting to his
>>>> mother that Tommy was gay...or if he wasn't gay, he'd been molested.
>>>> (Tommy was mildly retarded.) It's bad enough to have to bury your son
>>>> without the doctors telling you that your son was responsible for
>>>> what killed him.
> I interpreted the 'responsible' remark as being an _interpretation_ --
> that those who were close to Tommy interpreted the doctor's opinion that
> maybe Tommy got AIDS sexually instead of from the transfusion as being
> the same as those who said that *implying* that Tommy was responsible
> for his own disease.
I'm trying to say that (some doctor) thinking that maybe Tommy got AIDS
some other way than the transfusion isn't the same as saying that Tommy
was /responsible/ - as in, to blame - for what killed him.
Dan Abel
"Lisa Ann" <lisa...@stalnaker.com> wrote:
> "Greg Goss" <go...@gossg.org> wrote in message
> > Isaac Asimov died of AIDS from a transfusion during a heart operation.
>
> My cousin Tommy died of AIDS, also from a blood transfusion. Unfortunately,
> this was long before anyone was willing to admit that the virus was in the
> blood supply...so the docs kept insisting to his mother that Tommy was
> gay...or if he wasn't gay, he'd been molested. (Tommy was mildly retarded.)
> It's bad enough to have to bury your son without the doctors telling you
> that your son was responsible for what killed him.
There is a monastery in my county:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2001/11
/23/NB162864.DTL&type=printable
where they care for children, some of them born with AIDS. Are those
babies responsible for what has, or will, kill them? Most of us would
agree that they aren't. For medical reasons, it is important to know
about the details and percentages. It isn't important, in my mind at
least, to convince the parents of dead children, as to how the child may
have contracted the disease that killed them.
--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA
da...@sonic.net
Indi
>
> There is a monastery in my county:
>
> http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2001/11
> /23/NB162864.DTL&type=printable
>
> where they care for children, some of them born with AIDS. Are those
> babies responsible for what has, or will, kill them? Most of us would
> agree that they aren't. For medical reasons, it is important to know
> about the details and percentages. It isn't important, in my mind at
> least, to convince the parents of dead children, as to how the child may
> have contracted the disease that killed them.
>
Indeed. And another point for the "blame the victim" set -- remember condoms
are only about 90% effective. So it is quite possible to be entirely responsible
and still get AIDS.
--
indi
Lee Ayrton
> Indeed. And another point for the "blame the victim" set -- remember condoms
> are only about 90% effective. So it is quite possible to be entirely responsible
> and still get AIDS.
The effective rate is much closer to 100%.
http://aids.about.com/od/safersexquestions/f/latex.htm
"[...] studies found that even with repeated sexual contact, 98 to 100
percent of those people who used latex condoms correctly and consistently
did not become infected."
http://www.infoforhealth.org/pr/h9/h9chap4_2.shtml "studies of
HIV-discordant couples -- couples in which one partner is infected with
HIV and the other is not [...] In three recent studies infection rates
were less than 1% per year among consistent condom users."
Lee "Will research for food" Ayrton
Mike Easter
> Indi wrote:
>
>> Indeed. And another point for the "blame the victim" set -- remember
>> condoms are only about 90% effective. So it is quite possible to be
>> entirely responsible and still get AIDS.
>
> The effective rate is much closer to 100%.
>
> http://aids.about.com/od/safersexquestions/f/latex.htm
> "[...] studies found that even with repeated sexual contact, 98 to 100
> percent of those people who used latex condoms correctly and
> consistently did not become infected."
>
> http://www.infoforhealth.org/pr/h9/h9chap4_2.shtml "studies of
> HIV-discordant couples -- couples in which one partner is infected with
> HIV and the other is not [...] In three recent studies infection rates
> were less than 1% per year among consistent condom users."
The problem with statistics like that which use terms like 'correctly and
consistently' and 'consistent ... users' -- whether the stats are talking
about pregnancy or AIDS is how they - the statistics - are 'falsely'
derived.
The statisticians who want to help the data/method *subtract* cases.
"Oh, I see (you're pregnant - you have AIDS). And did you use your condom
every time? Oh, you didn't? Well then we'll just subtract your case from
the list of consistent users."
If you go around subtracting cases, you aren't getting real world data.
Real world data is -- you tell the population what to do -- like, have sex
and use a condom every time. Then, you count up the cases. You don't
subtract any.
--
Mike Easter
Indi
> The effective rate is much closer to 100%.
>
> http://aids.about.com/od/safersexquestions/f/latex.htm
> "[...] studies found that even with repeated sexual contact, 98 to 100
> percent of those people who used latex condoms correctly and consistently
> did not become infected."
>
Thanks, I guess my figures were dated -- but 98% effective is still imperfect.
Obviously, 100% is not realistic.
> http://www.infoforhealth.org/pr/h9/h9chap4_2.shtml "studies of
> HIV-discordant couples -- couples in which one partner is infected with
> HIV and the other is not [...] In three recent studies infection rates
> were less than 1% per year among consistent condom users."
>
That's encouraging, but still there is some risk.
I just take issue with the fact that it still appears to be so common that
AIDS victims are believed to have "got what they deserved" because they were
"irresponsible". In fact, huge numbers of people die prematurely as a direct
result of their own choices, but we don't generally stigmatize them.
--
indi
PeterL
There's some nice shots in there. Thanks for the link.
Boron Elgar
wrote:
It isn't subtracting cases, it is defining the sample. It is real
world data that reports the incidence of infection rates among HIV
discordant couples who correctly and consistently use condoms.
If you want to know how many HIV discordant couple condom users do not
use condoms correctly or consistently, that is another defined sample
and bit of real world data.
The real world is not made up of HIV discordant couples, either.
Boron
Mike Easter
> "Mike Easter"
>> Lee Ayrton wrote:
>>> The effective rate is much closer to 100%.
>> Real world data is -- you tell the population what to do -- like, have
>> sex and use a condom every time. Then, you count up the cases. You
>> don't subtract any.
> It isn't subtracting cases, it is defining the sample.
No, it is subtracting cases.
The basis for asking the question is, "What kind of results/risks can I
expect?" (if I intend to use a condom every time).
So, you start with a population which intends to use a condom every time.
And then you count the cases of AIDS or pregnancy.
> It is real
> world data that reports the incidence of infection rates among HIV
> discordant couples who correctly and consistently use condoms.
You can't subtract any cases because you don't know if the case/event
occurred as a result of using or not using - you are making an assumption
and created a bias. And, you can't subtract any cases because the case
population is made out of real humans, not idealized humans (manufactured
by subtracting cases).
> The real world is not made up of HIV discordant couples, either.
If I were a woman or if I were an anal or oral receptive homosexual male,
I wouldn't have sex with an HIV positive person regardless of whether they
had become positive from transfusion, IV drug use or their sexual
behaviors.
--
Mike Easter
Lee Ayrton
> Boron Elgar wrote:
>> "Mike Easter"
>>> Lee Ayrton wrote:
>
>>>> The effective rate is much closer to 100%.
>
>>> Real world data is -- you tell the population what to do -- like, have
>>> sex and use a condom every time. Then, you count up the cases. You
>>> don't subtract any.
>
>> It isn't subtracting cases, it is defining the sample.
>
> No, it is subtracting cases.
No, it is defining the sample. You're defining a different methodology
from the one cited.
> The basis for asking the question is, "What kind of results/risks can I
> expect?" (if I intend to use a condom every time).
>
> So, you start with a population which intends to use a condom every time.
> And then you count the cases of AIDS or pregnancy.
No, that's a different sample. The one cited wasn't intent, it was
practice.
>> It is real world data that reports the incidence of infection rates
>> among HIV discordant couples who correctly and consistently use
>> condoms.
>
> You can't subtract any cases because you don't know if the case/event
> occurred as a result of using or not using - you are making an assumption
> and created a bias. And, you can't subtract any cases because the case
> population is made out of real humans, not idealized humans (manufactured
> by subtracting cases).
Wait... You're an economicist, aren't you.
>> The real world is not made up of HIV discordant couples, either.
>
> If I were a woman or if I were an anal or oral receptive homosexual male,
> I wouldn't have sex with an HIV positive person regardless of whether they
> had become positive from transfusion, IV drug use or their sexual
> behaviors.
So you've already decided that condoms don't work, and a study that shows
a very high success rate is discordant to you.
Lee "I don't know how you came to get the betty davis knees
But worst of all young man you've got industrial disease" Ayrton
D.F. Manno
Stan Brown <the_sta...@fastmail.fm> wrote:
> Tue, 17 Feb 2009 14:17:44 -0800 from Aingon Atelia
> <aingon...@sbcglobal.net>:
> > > Was Blinky gay?
> > > He probably died of Aids.
> >
> > He was certainly *not* gay. Please resist projecting yourself on others.
>
> Surely you are not as ignorant as the above would have us believe. It
> is not just gay people who get AIDS.
>
> No, I'm not suggesting Blinky died of AIDS; I have no idea of his
> cause of death. But I do object to the inaccurate and prejudicial
> implication that AIDS = gay.
Did you read the post Blinky's brother was replying to, part of which
you reproduced: "Was Blinky gay?"? All he was doing was replying to that
question.
--
D.F. Manno
dfm...@mail.com
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In <733cca82c8ae16c3...@dizum.com> Nomen Nescio
<nob...@dizum.com> wrote:
>Peter <peterlabr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> He probably died of Aids.
>>
>> --
>> Peter Lucas
> ^^^^^^^^^^^
> shitbag
Yer about a stupid fuck ain't you?
Lisa Ann
news:gnh8m4$1ls$1...@reader.motzarella.org...
The year was 1984 or 1985 in the United States. Tommy had had several
surgeries during his lifetime, requiring blood transfusions (obviously he
had other things wrong with him besides the retardation thing.) He was
rarely outside the presence of family - either immediate or extended - so
his chance of being exposed to other methods of transmission rapidly
approached zero. The transfusions seemed the most logical culprit.
Lisa Ann
Adam Funk
> Like many of Blinky's admirers, I live too far away to participate
> in his memorial, but I'll be thinking of him, not only on that day but
> for a long time whenever I see something on Usenet or the Internet
> that Blinky would have enjoyed making fun of and/or putting right.
I was trying to think of a good reply to the OP, but here I simply
have to say "me too".
> Thanks for posting, Aingon.
Thanks from me too.
--
Do you know what they do to book thieves up at Santa Rita?
http://www.shigabooks.com/indeces/bookhunter.html
Lisa Ann
"Mike Easter" <Mi...@ster.invalid> wrote in message
> Mike Easter wrote:
>>>> Lisa Ann wrote:
>>>>> My cousin Tommy died of AIDS, also from a blood transfusion.
>>>>> Unfortunately, this was long before anyone was willing to admit that
>>>>> the virus was in the blood supply...so the docs kept insisting to his
>>>>> mother that Tommy was gay...or if he wasn't gay, he'd been molested.
>>>>> (Tommy was mildly retarded.) It's bad enough to have to bury your son
>>>>> without the doctors telling you that your son was responsible for
>>>>> what killed him.
>
>> I interpreted the 'responsible' remark as being an _interpretation_ --
>> that those who were close to Tommy interpreted the doctor's opinion that
>> maybe Tommy got AIDS sexually instead of from the transfusion as being
>> the same as those who said that *implying* that Tommy was responsible
>> for his own disease.
>
> I'm trying to say that (some doctor) thinking that maybe Tommy got AIDS
> some other way than the transfusion isn't the same as saying that Tommy
> was /responsible/ - as in, to blame - for what killed him.
Remember, in the early days of AIDS, people absolutely didn't believe that
whatever caused it was in the blood supply. It was also commonly believed
that only gay people - and gay *men* at that - got AIDS. And, of course,
since being gay is an abomination (especially in Indiana, where Tommy
lived), then you pretty much deserved it if you got it.
And while the doctor didn't come out and say that Tommy brought it on
himself, he was adament that the only way Tommy could have contracted AIDS
was through homosexual activity. Because, you know, there was just
absolutely no other way he could have been exposed to the virus.
Lisa Ann
Mike Easter
> "Mike Easter"
>> The answer to the above question would have to be "We don't really
>> know, it is possible that he got it from the transfusion, but that is
>> very unlikely."
>>
>> 'Very' in this context would depend on what year and what country we
>> are talking about.
>
> The year was 1984 or 1985 in the United States.
That was a ('very') bad time to be getting a transfusion. There was more
and more AIDS around to be getting into the donor blood and there weren't
good tests and there weren't good 'anti-donor' selection criteria and
there were a few places/banks that were paying for blood - which is very
bad business because paying attracts the druggies.
> Tommy had had several
> surgeries during his lifetime, requiring blood transfusions (obviously
> he had other things wrong with him besides the retardation thing.) He
> was rarely outside the presence of family - either immediate or
> extended - so his chance of being exposed to other methods of
> transmission rapidly approached zero. The transfusions seemed the most
> logical culprit.
I agree.
--
Mike Easter
Dan Abel
Indi <in...@JayaSriRadhe.local> wrote:
Condoms, of course, are used by people. There are three types of condom
use by people:
1. People who don't use them
2. People who claim they use them
3. People who actually use them every time
I believe the 90% figure is for group #2. Still, there is a failure
rate for #3 also.
Joseph Littleshoes
Once elderly, respected, right wing, male, republican homophobes started
coming down with it (Paul Gann of the infamous Ca. Prop 13 "Jarvis/Gann'
initiative) from blood transfusions
the idea that it could be transmitted through transfusions quickly
caught on.
Stanford university recently suspended its blood drives due to the
prohibition on "gays" giving blood. According to what i read, the
ability to test all donated blood is in place and any restrictions on
"gays" donating blood is thought to be purely prejudicial, as all they
have to do is lie, say they are not gay and they can donate blood that
will then be screened along with all other donations for a number of
pathogens, as well as the HIV antibodies.
--
JL
Mike Easter
> Stanford university recently suspended its blood drives due to the
> prohibition on "gays" giving blood. According to what i read, the
> ability to test all donated blood is in place and any restrictions on
> "gays" donating blood is thought to be purely prejudicial, as all they
> have to do is lie, say they are not gay and they can donate blood that
> will then be screened along with all other donations for a number of
> pathogens, as well as the HIV antibodies.
What is morally reprehensible about a high risk individual donating blood
(so that they can get an HIV test done -or- assuming that the HIV test
will protect the recipient) is that they may have just acquired the
infection and don't have an antibody titer. Then, they (would be or are)
hoping that the nucleic acid testing for the HIV (and other dangerous
viruses harbored by those with risky communication behaviors would be
found in the screening.
It is better than high risk individuals don't donate at all and *also*
that the best of testing be done on the blood - not just the testing. And
hopefully that there aren't testing result errors.
--
Mike Easter
Mike Easter
> Stanford university recently suspended its blood drives due to the
> prohibition on "gays" giving blood.
It was San Jose State U that suspended its blood drives as a protest
against the drive/bank policies being discriminatory against gays.
Stanford publicly disagreed and is currently doing mobile blood drives all
over the place.
http://med.stanford.edu/mcr/2008/bloodcenter-0201.html Stanford Blood
Center officials say the recent decision by San Jose State University to
suspend blood drives on campus is a seriously misguided effort to
influence national policy and could have a devastating effect on the local
blood supply.
That was about events about a year ago.
http://bloodcenter.stanford.edu/donate/blood_drives.html Stanford Blood
Center conducts mobile blood drives throughout the Bay Area, collecting
approximately half its annual blood supply in this manner.
That is current.
--
Mike Easter
PeterL
Why do gays have to fuck each other up the arse?
notbob
> It was San Jose State U that suspended its blood drives as a protest
> against the drive/bank policies being discriminatory against gays.
Which is hilarious. No matter how much blood you donate in your lifetime,
when and if you ever need blood, you too are going to take it up the ass!
nb
PeterL
news:2009021821014...@emmanuel.winstonsmith.info:
> Yer about a stupid fuck ain't you?
>
>
Ummmmm, no.
You're the SF for being too stupid to read that part of the thread where it
was pointed out that we have a mentally challenged stalker/forger who is
doing that shit.
It's name is bevan john kirkland, it lives at 4/23 Frank Street, Frankston
Vic 3199, Australia
Joseph Littleshoes
"Gay" does not mean "high risk" promiscuous, sexually active whether gay
or straight would be more to the point.
--
JL
>
>
Mike Easter
> Mike Easter wrote:
>> Joseph Littleshoes wrote:
>>> any restrictions on
>>> "gays" donating blood is thought to be purely prejudicial,
>> It is better than high risk individuals don't donate at all and *also*
>> that the best of testing be done on the blood
> "Gay" does not mean "high risk" promiscuous, sexually active whether gay
> or straight would be more to the point.
Ah, (I think) you want to develop the discriminatory medical history fine
point.
OK, here's the deal; say the difference between SJSU SanJoseState and
Stanford's actions/positions.
There is an argument that scientifically there is a discrepancy between
the 'deferral' rules for old heterosexual behavior and old homosexual MSM
(men having sex with men) behavior.
The rules come from the FDA. Stanford and other important agencies such
as AABB (blood banking body) & the Red Cross, don't see eye-to-eye with
all of the FDA's rules.
Stanford states its position (siding with AABB & ARC) against an FDA
deferral policy about MSM and recommends a variety of actions by those
that are deferred by those rules; write to the FDA's policy branch, talk
to legislators, donate or volunteer in other ways, and so forth -- not to
encourage other people to not donate blood -- which was the action taken
by SJSU.
--
Mike Easter
Lee Ayrton
> Remember, in the early days of AIDS, people absolutely didn't believe that
> whatever caused it was in the blood supply. It was also commonly believed
> that only gay people - and gay *men* at that - got AIDS. And, of course,
Haitians. Everyone forgets about the Haitians.
> since being gay is an abomination (especially in Indiana, where Tommy
> lived), then you pretty much deserved it if you got it.
Xho Jingleheimerschmidt
> On Wed, 18 Feb 2009, Mike Easter wrote:
>
>> Boron Elgar wrote:
>>> "Mike Easter"
>>>> Lee Ayrton wrote:
>>
>>>>> The effective rate is much closer to 100%.
>>
>>>> Real world data is -- you tell the population what to do -- like, have
>>>> sex and use a condom every time. Then, you count up the cases. You
>>>> don't subtract any.
>>
>>> It isn't subtracting cases, it is defining the sample.
>>
>> No, it is subtracting cases.
>
> No, it is defining the sample. You're defining a different methodology
> from the one cited.
"The methodology I used is the methodology I used" isn't much of a
defense when the complaint is that the methodology itself is flawed.
Xho
Xho Jingleheimerschmidt
>
> Stanford university recently suspended its blood drives due to the
> prohibition on "gays" giving blood. According to what i read, the
> ability to test all donated blood is in place
Everyone has airbags now, so it should be OK for people with seizure
disorders to drive cars.
> and any restrictions on
> "gays" donating blood is thought to be purely prejudicial, as all they
> have to do is lie, say they are not gay and they can donate blood that
> will then be screened along with all other donations for a number of
> pathogens,
That's it folks, no one is allowed to ask anyone any questions anymore,
because after all someone could lie. Pack up the newsgroup and go home.
> as well as the HIV antibodies.
Do the develop instantly upon infection?
Xho
Ohmster
5ac75d...@s1g2000prg.googlegroups.com:
> Was Blinky gay?
> He probably died of Aids.
>
> --
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> Brisbane
> Australia
>
> "Life is not like a box of chocolates... it's more like an ass.
> What you do in it today... might burn your cock tomorrow."
>
Oh you are such an ass!
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[Anon] Anon User
>"[Anonymous] Anon User" <nob...@emmanuel.winstonsmith.info> wrote
in
>news:2009021821014...@emmanuel.winstonsmith.info:
>
>
>> Yer about a stupid fuck ain't you?
>>
>>
>
>
>Ummmmm, no.
>
>You're the SF for being too stupid to read that part of the thread
where it
>was pointed out that we have a mentally challenged stalker/forger
who is
>doing that shit.
Ok, so he *is* a stupid fuck. He just can't help it.
>It's name is bevan john kirkland, it lives at 4/23 Frank Street,
Frankston
>Vic 3199, Australia
>
Whatddya want me to do with that? Order him pizza?
>--
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>Brisbane
>Australia
>
funnybugger
wrote:
> In <Xns9BB760B8ADF6EPeterhomeinbris...@210.8.230.25> PeterL
>
>
>
>
>
> <Pet...@brissie.in.oz> wrote:
> >"[Anonymous] Anon User" <nob...@emmanuel.winstonsmith.info> wrote
> in
> >news:2009021821014...@emmanuel.winstonsmith.info:
>
> >> Yer about a stupid fuck ain't you?
>
> >Ummmmm, no.
>
> >You're the SF for being too stupid to read that part of the thread
> where it
> >was pointed out that we have a mentally challenged stalker/forger
> who is
> >doing that shit.
>
> Ok, so he *is* a stupid fuck. He just can't help it.
>
>
>
> >It's name is bevan john kirkland, it lives at 4/23 Frank Street,
> Frankston
> >Vic 3199, Australia
>
> Whatddya want me to do with that? Order him pizza?
>
LOL, I almost spat out my coffee.
You would need his phone number for that, wouldn't you?
Shona
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Maybe Peter Lucas will call Pizza Hut.
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In <gni9g4$s3e$1...@news.motzarella.org> "Mike Easter" <Mi...@ster.invalid>
wrote:
>Joseph Littleshoes wrote:
>> Mike Easter wrote:
>>> Joseph Littleshoes wrote:
>
>>>> any restrictions on
>>>> "gays" donating blood is thought to be purely prejudicial,
>
>>> It is better than high risk individuals don't donate at all
and *also*
>>> that the best of testing be done on the blood
>
>> "Gay" does not mean "high risk" promiscuous, sexually active
whether gay
>> or straight would be more to the point.
>
>Ah, (I think) you want to develop the discriminatory medical
history fine
>point.
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Invisible Lurker
> <Pet...@brissie.in.oz> wrote:
>>"[Anonymous] Anon User" <nob...@emmanuel.winstonsmith.info> wrote in
>>news:2009021821014...@emmanuel.winstonsmith.info:
>>
>>
>>> Yer about a stupid fuck ain't you?
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>Ummmmm, no.
>>
>>You're the SF for being too stupid to read that part of the thread
>>where it was pointed out that we have a mentally challenged
>>stalker/forger who is doing that shit.
>
> Ok, so he *is* a stupid fuck. He just can't help it.
>
>>It's name is bevan john kirkland, it lives at 4/23 Frank Street,
>>Frankston Vic 3199, Australia
>>
>
> Whatddya want me to do with that? Order him pizza?
How about a visit from Vinnie "The Scrotum" Scumbaglia?
("He does things that take a lot of balls")
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Yeah, hell of a good comeback.
SoCalMike
> I have a friend whose brother died of AIDS. A guy once asked her,
> "well, was he gay?" and when she said yes, he said (to her face, mind
> you) that it was John's own fault, then.
>
> That's nothing but assholery.
>
> Mary
meanspirited assholery. BUT... and yes, im going to interject. But I
dont think anyone who engages in unsafe sex acts or sharing needles is
any different than someone who has taken up smoking since its been
proven to cause cancer.
And yes, ive practiced the unsafe sexin, albeit in a lower risk group.
And i ride a motorcycle. And i chew tobacco.
I can do something about the sexing. I can do something about the
riding, and do as far as protective gear and paying attention. The
tobacco? nah, aside from maybe switching to dissolvable tablets or
quitting altogether.
cybercat
"SoCalMike" <mikein562...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:gnko6...@news2.newsguy.com...
> Mary wrote:
>> I have a friend whose brother died of AIDS. A guy once asked her,
>> "well, was he gay?" and when she said yes, he said (to her face, mind
>> you) that it was John's own fault, then.
>>
>> That's nothing but assholery.
>>
>> Mary
>
>
> meanspirited assholery. BUT... and yes, im going to interject. But I dont
> think anyone who engages in unsafe sex acts or sharing needles is any
> different than someone who has taken up smoking since its been proven to
> cause cancer.
>
Or fatasses who wolf down twinkies and such and lie around then get heart
disease.
Mary
> Mary wrote:
> > I have a friend whose brother died of AIDS. A guy once asked her,
> > "well, was he gay?" and when she said yes, he said (to her face, mind
> > you) that it was John's own fault, then.
>
> > That's nothing but assholery.
>
> > Mary
>
> meanspirited assholery. BUT... and yes, im going to interject. But I
> dont think anyone who engages in unsafe sex acts or sharing needles is
> any different than someone who has taken up smoking since its been
> proven to cause cancer.
True enough. But there are a lot of behaviors that put you at risk -
and when people take those risks and end up with those health
problems, we treat the disease. Getting all holier than thou about
the source of the disease is assholery.
And it's assholery that's reasonably likely to bite the asshole in
the, er, ass - how many people do you know that don't engage in
SOMETHING that could lead to problems?
Mary
Jeff▲Relf
That's me, exactly. And I smoke like a chimney.
And I get high on chocolate, coding ( tweaking ) instead of sleeping.
“ If you wanna run cool, you got to run on heavy, heavy fuel. ”,
as the Dire Straits' song says.
I'm only 49 but you shouldn't be surprised if I died soon.
Likely, no one here would notice I was gone;
or, if they did, they'd be happy about it.
Greg Goss
>“ If you wanna run cool, you got to run on heavy, heavy fuel. ”,
>as the Dire Straits' song says.
The song is a celebration of severe alcoholism and other destructive
lifestyles. But I'm more interested in the phrase itself.
A few years back, I was looking at buying a diesel smart car. The car
generates so little heat that they added electrically heated seats to
cover for the inadequate heater. Is that because of the ultra-tiny
engine, or something odd from running diesel.
Is there anything behind the phrase that knopfler builds his metaphor
around?
--
"Recessions catch what the auditors miss." (Galbraith)
Jeff▲Relf
I'd say diesel runs hotter, under more pressure.
The electric seat heater is about convenience:
getting the heat exactly were you want it, when you want it.
Stan Brown
<a.non...@example.invalid>:
> I didn't read Aingon's post that way, Stan. I think he was only
> defending Blinky's heterosexualness, as he did not mention AIDS in his
> reply.
>
> You should have directed your comments to "Peter."
You're quite right -- and knowing, as I now do, that "Peter" is only
a troll, I would not have felt the need to make any comments.
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PL
news:MPG.2407ded54...@news.individual.net:
> Tue, 17 Feb 2009 23:30:12 -0500 from Beauregard T. Shagnasty
> <a.non...@example.invalid>:
>> I didn't read Aingon's post that way, Stan. I think he was only
>> defending Blinky's heterosexualness, as he did not mention AIDS in his
>> reply.
>>
>> You should have directed your comments to "Peter."
>
> You're quite right -- and knowing, as I now do, that "Peter" is only
> a troll, I would not have felt the need to make any comments.
>
Not all of us are trolls....... just the ones that use a real persons name to
facilitate their pathetic 'work'.
That particular trolls *real* name is bevan john kirkland. A parasite of the
lowest form.
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Australia
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Indi
> Stan Brown <the_sta...@fastmail.fm> wrote in
> news:MPG.2407ded54...@news.individual.net:
>
>>>
>>
>> You're quite right -- and knowing, as I now do, that "Peter" is only
>> a troll, I would not have felt the need to make any comments.
>>
>
> Not all of us are trolls....... just the ones that use a real persons name to
> facilitate their pathetic 'work'.
>
> That particular trolls *real* name is bevan john kirkland. A parasite of the
> lowest form.
>
Ironically, thanks to the encouragement of Blinky's UIP, I'd have never seen the
troll's post had others not replied to it.
--
indi
PL
news:slrngps77...@jayasriradhe.local:
Which is why I'll continue to post his website URL..... as long as it
stays active.
Troy Piggins
Jeff,
I, for one, would be sad to hear of your passing whether it's
soon or in many years to come. It saddens me that you think we'd
be happy about it. Says a lot about the kind of people you think
you're talking at.
--
Troy Piggins
Jeff▲Relf
I said that, here, most wouldn't notice if I was;
or, if they did, they'd be glad about it.
Greg Goss
>I don't know but, if I had to guess,
>I'd say diesel runs hotter, under more pressure.
You have more pressure, but then you release the pressure. The
combustion products are released at atmospheric pressure.
Releasing gas pressure is a refrigeration process.
Whiskers
Diesel engines generally 'run cooler' than petrol engines. In particular,
the higher compression ratio means that more of the 'chemical' energy in
the fuel is converted to mechanical so there is less waste heat to cope
with.
My 1.9 litre diesel produces about enough heat for the car heater to cope
with a British winter. The Smart 2-seater's diesel engine is less than
half that size.
--
-- ^^^^^^^^^^
-- Whiskers
-- ~~~~~~~~~~
Jeff▲Relf
Pressurizing diesel makes it hotter, so hot it ignites without a spark.
Peter J Ross
<Jeff...@Seattle.TEST> wrote:
> I'm only 49 but you shouldn't be surprised if I died soon.
> Likely, no one here would notice I was gone;
> or, if they did, they'd be happy about it.
Do you have a terrible pain in all the diodes down your left side?
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Bob Ward
<b...@nomail.invalid> wrote:
>Jeff?Relf wrote:
>
>> Pressurizing diesel makes it hotter, so hot it ignites without a spark.
>
>Don't know much about diesel engines, do you?
But the statement as written is correct.
Bob Ezrin
<Jeff...@Seattle.TEST> claimed:
>An electric seat heater is about heat where and when you want it.
>Pressurizing diesel makes it hotter, so hot it ignites without a spark.
Great, thanks for letting us know. Sheesh.
D.F. Manno
JeffţRelf <Jeff...@Seattle.TEST> wrote:
Who are you? And why should we care?
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Jeff▲Relf
For the last 16 years I've been coding “ Bank Management Simulations ”;
they run on Windows Vista.
Among other things, they use Visual C++ 9 and OLE to automate Excel.
The most recent changes I made had to do with
“ Mark to Market ” accounting, where gains or losses on securities
affects the shareHolder's equity number.
My webSite: JeffRelf.F-M.FM
Greg Goss
>Greg Goss <go...@gossg.org> wrote:
>
>> Jeffâˆ"Relf <Jeff...@Seattle.TEST> wrote:
>>
>> >I don't know but, if I had to guess,
>> >I'd say diesel runs hotter, under more pressure.
>>
>> You have more pressure, but then you release the pressure. The
>> combustion products are released at atmospheric pressure.
>>
>> Releasing gas pressure is a refrigeration process.
>
>Have you met Jeff before, Greg? He's an interesting fellow
>with a different point of view; I'm sure that he'll be an asset
>to afc-a and rfc.
I've got my own differences in point of view. Part of that is a
limitation where I'm really only able to remember fifty or so people
at a time. Including popes and leaders of government.
When someone talks to me, I smile and nod and assume that I already
know 'em.
Greg Goss
>“ Who are you? And why should we care? ”, you asked me.
>
>For the last 16 years I've been coding “ Bank Management Simulations ”;
>they run on Windows Vista.
This group loves to nit-pick. When talking about your sixteen years
of experience in Windows, why mention Vista?
sf
>Jeffâ–²Relf <Jeff...@Seattle.TEST> wrote:
>
>>“ Who are you? And why should we care? ”, you asked me.
>>
>>For the last 16 years I've been coding “ Bank Management Simulations ”;
>>they run on Windows Vista.
>
>This group loves to nit-pick. When talking about your sixteen years
>of experience in Windows, why mention Vista?
Repeat: “ Who are you? And why should we care? ”
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